Game Theory: Why You Can't Save Aerith With a Phoenix Down! (Final Fantasy 7)

11 apr 2020
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One of the most memorable, and heartbreaking, moments of the original Final Fantasy 7 game was the death of Aerith. No matter what you do, how many saves you load, there is no way to save her. Not even the Phoenix Down works! It's always bugged me that this resource made to save people from death, couldn't save this beloved character. Why IS that? Today, it's time to pluck some feathers and see if we can find an answer to this fowl question!
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www.nintendo.co.jp/clv/manuals/en/pdf/CLV-P-NABJE.pdf
archive.org/details/FinalFantasy12ManualJPFCNES/page/n55/mode/2up
www.slideshare.net/segertar/final-fantasy-iii-manual-101
finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Twintania_(Final_Fantasy_XII)
finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Magicite_(Final_Fantasy_VI)
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  • Sorry I am late to this party for some reason I missed this episode, and 2 you made a mistake in this Theory Matt, you can actually kill an undead monster with a Phoenix Down, not to mention a boss in FF 8, just by using it it raises them from the dead.

    Michael PettinariMichael Pettinari9 tundi tagasi
  • GIMMIE TIME COMPRESSION THEORIES!!!...would you kindly :3

    Manuel NunezManuel NunezPäev tagasi
  • I just finished FF7R and I have a theory regarding this. One of the major themes in FF7R was whether to accept or defy fate. Iirc, that was not really touched on in the original (I may be wrong, it's been a while). I think the major twist at the end of part 2 is Aerith does NOT die at the end. This will somehow set in motion the activation of the Black Materia and part 3 will be about cleaning up that mess (and Aerith most likely dying at the end of part 3)

    BigDaddySamaBigDaddySama4 päeva tagasi
  • Ok, I have never played Final Fantasy nor had I heard about it before like 2018. If my brothers didn't play it or know about it it did not exist.

    Shadow Fright 13Shadow Fright 1310 päeva tagasi
  • MatPat: *Is ready to upload FF8 theories* FNAF 8: "Thanks for another theory MatPat, always a pleasure to do business. Keep up the good work!

    Ibui ShinkaIbui Shinka11 päeva tagasi
  • You miss the ps3 come to my world and you will see a world full of updates

    THE MEGA KNIGHTTHE MEGA KNIGHT13 päeva tagasi
  • nvm saving Aerith i want general Leo back :(

    jasminejo2424jasminejo242418 päeva tagasi
  • I have a PS3 ... I enjoy it, but MatPat? I'd be happy to trade it for a 4. (Or 5, if you feel generous)

    WILLIAM HOLCOMBWILLIAM HOLCOMB19 päeva tagasi
  • FF8 theory please???????

    kyle dubreuilkyle dubreuil22 päeva tagasi
  • I'd love some FF8 theories. I think u was the only one in my friend group who really liked the game.

    Hollie GinozaHollie Ginoza23 päeva tagasi
  • Is it 22 or 23 year old? The debatte.

    doomoftheenddoomoftheend24 päeva tagasi
  • FF8!

    Shini gamiShini gami26 päeva tagasi
  • Is anyone else just binge watching all of mat pats theories

    Business ClankBusiness Clank29 päeva tagasi
  • ...what about Life? Life2?

    AthlynneAthlynneМісяць tagasi
  • Guys go watch odd headers video about aerith, she can be revived at the church

    Tristan ClarkeTristan ClarkeМісяць tagasi
  • 5 months later you can find a video on EEworld that proved that she could be revived

    Tristan ClarkeTristan ClarkeМісяць tagasi
  • I still use a PS3 I don't have anything else😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

    Mobile Gaming WorldMobile Gaming WorldМісяць tagasi
  • As we say in borderlands, "Death isn't permanent unless its in a cutscene."

    Komla ApelyKomla ApelyМісяць tagasi
  • But they can use cure, cura, curaja and curaga after she got impaled. Right?

    Miguel ManuelMiguel ManuelМісяць tagasi
  • Also minecraft cave update and steve in smash

    Connor GreensladeConnor GreensladeМісяць tagasi
  • Sorry to burst your bubble....

    Fisch AventineFisch AventineМісяць tagasi
  • Play FFV and their a part where Galuf is death where everyone use Curaga, Elixir and of course Raise and Phoenix down but he is dead

    Makhyusni MakhyusniMakhyusni MakhyusniМісяць tagasi
  • In FF7 Crisis core, Angeals wing gives Zack Phoenix downs - I theorise that Angeal and his "Copies" are where the Phoenix downs first come from in the FF7 series, and they are mass produced after the fact of this accidental by-product. The tear-jurking end of FF7 Crisis Core shows Zack laying on the floor, defeated and dieing with cloud next to him recorvering from his Mako Poisoning. I theorise that Zack may have burnt through his entire stack of Phoenix downs to get to this point, as he has defeated an entire army of shinra troops, 2nd class soldiers and helecopters, bar 4-5 troops who finally take him down & seen as though Zack and Cloud have been on the run for 2-4 years (depending on which games lore you believe) then they will have burnt through quite a lot of their resources. There is no way for cloud to save Zack because their are no resources left to save zack with, also zack being so close to death and cloud still being so weak means that there was little chance of anything being salvaged of a dead enemy. I'd love to see some crisis core theories in the future!

    Mr PlimblesMr PlimblesМісяць tagasi
  • c'mon atleast give me back my materia

    Chilly_PhillyChilly_PhillyМісяць tagasi
  • I'm not crying

    CrossBoneCrossBoneМісяць tagasi
  • If the phoenix is dead then how does it do literally anything? Phoenix downs wouldn't work at all.

    WALN ZellWALN ZellМісяць tagasi
  • 6:58 You mean IV, V, and VI?

    WALN ZellWALN ZellМісяць tagasi
  • Yo Aerith can be revived

    Bad LimeBad LimeМісяць tagasi
  • WHY SHE DED THO?

    Jethro JacintoJethro JacintoМісяць tagasi
  • where is game theroy i,ii,iii,iv,v, and vi?

    Nikhil R ByrapuramNikhil R Byrapuram2 місяці tagasi
  • React to oddheaders are it’s revival vid

    Michael MontalvoMichael Montalvo2 місяці tagasi
  • Definitely down for some FF8 theories!

    It's Irvin TimeIt's Irvin Time2 місяці tagasi
  • Phoenix down is for unconsious and only use for battle, not cutscene

    skyactiveskyactive2 місяці tagasi
  • Also you can't save Rachel in Final Fantasy. She does regardless if you do the quest or not. The Treasure Hunter will always feel broken by that.

    ZhelloZhello2 місяці tagasi
  • Lol sory . I thought it was a 9 foot blade. ? how knows.? 9 feet can't be right.? 6 feet like mat pat sad . Must be right.

    ryan hoffmanryan hoffman2 місяці tagasi
  • FFVIII please

    Double_O_0wenDouble_O_0wen2 місяці tagasi
  • Honestly, one of the best theories I've seen in terms of research. Also I love FF anyway.

    Taiylor WallaceTaiylor Wallace2 місяці tagasi
  • The interesting thing about the Aerith not being dead theory is that we actually see Cloud survive a similar Sephiroth sword incident.

    vogonp 42vogonp 422 місяці tagasi
  • 0:28 ok I've only played kingdom hearts but from the little I've heard of isn't this like 90% of the plot in final fantasy

    Michael EllisMichael Ellis2 місяці tagasi
  • me: steve is a girl matpat 23 years later: uhh NO

    turtlerr rturtlerr r2 місяці tagasi
  • How long did it take before you realized that the "down" in Phoenix down was referring to down feathers?

    AsmoJayAsmoJay2 місяці tagasi
  • Life, life2 or full-life?

    Mikael OlssonMikael Olsson2 місяці tagasi
  • Oof he killed her ? !! Wow cloud wth smh

    Munchie LittenMunchie Litten2 місяці tagasi
  • 3:16:everyones`s favorite flower girl me:I don`t like aries.......[actually true]

    Video game god Video game godVideo game god Video game god2 місяці tagasi
  • Wow Well done. This was awesome

    Joshua AndersonJoshua Anderson2 місяці tagasi
  • I would love game theories of all Final Fantasy games its my favourite game series and the reason i subscribed to this channel (stayed subbed because i loved film theroy,and now food theory)

    sweet-rain Jewelsweet-rain Jewel2 місяці tagasi
  • Revived in all forms at the time during aerith’s death might not be canon

    Max HatchMax Hatch2 місяці tagasi
  • I do hope he covers what's up with the Final Fantasy 7 remake. Especially how Aerith even came back or seemed to know what was happening in this timeline..

    The Smash DancersThe Smash Dancers2 місяці tagasi
  • I would like to point out that in FFXV theres a state of “Danger” when you run out of health, and if you take MORE damage, THEN you’re dead and are actually able to use a Phoenix Down. That’s what contradicts this theory for me.

    iron cheeseiron cheese2 місяці tagasi
  • I'll save you the 15 minutes..a phoenix down isn't for curing death, it's for curing being incapacitated. Problem solved

    BHGraphics82BHGraphics822 місяці tagasi
  • Okay hear me out Phoenix down revive the dead because if you use one on a undead what happens? It gives the opposite effect of death life meaning killing the undead. So it should be able to raise the dead.

    FabledkillFabledkill2 місяці tagasi
  • You forgot that Cloud finds a Phoenix on the railroad track hidden area. After killing it, he gets 30 Phoenix Downs. Also, “Death” the magic refers to HP 0 as dead.

    Joe BJoe B2 місяці tagasi
  • What about throwing a soft on Red X dad

    Joe BJoe B2 місяці tagasi
  • Even though this show is amazing I don't watch SOME of them so it is kept beautiful in my brain like final fantasy " my favourite game" shrek and star wars

    khanda fareedonkhanda fareedon2 місяці tagasi
  • I know this is old but xxii is 22 xxiii is 23.

    Fernel CuramengFernel Curameng2 місяці tagasi
  • But there was that one easter egg in the game where if u give the harp and the other things( forget what they where), if. Go back to where she died she comes back and a CREEPY WEIRD cutacenes starts The youtuber oddheader covered this and it worked.

    Vladimir BoeversVladimir Boevers2 місяці tagasi
  • Me:*only played pt1 of the remake and practically fell in love with aerith* Ogff7:AERITH DIES Me:NOOOOO AERITH

    rayne hayesrayne hayes2 місяці tagasi
  • Final Fantasy 7 remake is crap.

    Why Idontwant2Why Idontwant22 місяці tagasi
  • I miss beard pat

    R. J.R. J.2 місяці tagasi
  • But, if we give 10 000 rubish feather, does that works? Edit: Oh, he dead

    AxirevAxirev2 місяці tagasi
  • That's an amazing remake (different in many ways from the original, but still amazing! I don't know which I do prefer, I have to play the original more), I loved it! Loved the theory too! That makes total sense ^^! And I would love to watch theories of FFVIII too

    naosei seila u.unaosei seila u.u2 місяці tagasi
  • FFVIII theories please! Pretty please?

    nalinea18nalinea182 місяці tagasi
  • Bdw he can use live speel

    Gyro ZeppeliGyro Zeppeli2 місяці tagasi
  • matpat:only 3 games to play mincrsaft:AM I A JOKE TO YOU

    ZACHARY SALAZARZACHARY SALAZAR2 місяці tagasi
  • If you had played the game you know that cloud runs into a nest of Phoenix Young living Phoenix and the one on the roof that you get the materia from

    supplyanddemandsupplyanddemand2 місяці tagasi
  • In ff6 there is a side story (to get fenix summon) that tell's why and what fenix dose and is. And that it revives unconsious or near dead pg, but that they are still alive. It can't revive the dead. As it is sed in clear words by a npc.

    Enlil The PrinceEnlil The Prince2 місяці tagasi
  • ok, Rufus Matpat at 3:45 actually threw me of for a second.

    Ben DavisBen Davis2 місяці tagasi
  • I always thought that a character doesn’t “die” when they run out of HP. Instead they “fall unconscious ” and are unable to fight. That’s why a Phoenix down revived them. But in this case Aeris is actually dead so a Phoenix down won’t work

    xoxorockstarxoxorockstar2 місяці tagasi
  • We need more FF theories please!!!

    Kaysa21Kaysa212 місяці tagasi
  • wait, did we ever get those ff8 theories?

    Phat CatPhat Cat2 місяці tagasi
  • One sentence sums this up.... All items are not canon except for materia

    Jacob RegachoJacob Regacho2 місяці tagasi
  • I do want to make a point here that people might be confused by if your new to the series all the final fantasy games are separate games from each other in the lore and story non of them are the same universe and none of them are connected in anyway matpat does make some valid points about the phoniex downs but he does connect 12s story with 7s

    dragomaniatcgdragomaniatcg2 місяці tagasi
  • Yes

    Sajid NawazSajid Nawaz2 місяці tagasi
  • The FF7 Remake was the first time I'd experienced the game, since I didn't know of the game's existence (and I probably wouldn't have liked it due to my age) when I had a PS1. As much as I loved the Remake, I wish Aerith's death wasn't the most spoiled video game moment of all time so I could experience that for the first time myself when that part of the story comes out.

    lotrdude13lotrdude132 місяці tagasi
  • I think the answer is simple. Phoenix down simply isn't an item that exists in the canon of the game. Until the day comes where we see one used in a cutscene, they don't exist.

    Gary theNPCGary theNPC2 місяці tagasi
  • curagas a lot better than phoenix down

    Ria ?Ria ?2 місяці tagasi
  • Please share the FF 8 theories!

    Cynthia Raborn TankwaCynthia Raborn Tankwa2 місяці tagasi
  • Aww man matpat changed the avatar 😂 i really liked the old one

    Sunflower 0019Sunflower 00192 місяці tagasi
  • When he was talking about the KO and how it's not dead, all i could think about was Miracle Max in Princess Bride explaining how he is only mostly dead but not all dead.

    Adam WolfAdam Wolf3 місяці tagasi
  • you meant Aeris you're welcome don't worry I'm here I'll save you correcting illiterates one crackpipe at a time

    Threadbare PhoenixThreadbare Phoenix3 місяці tagasi
  • ........want aerith supposed to be the creator's mom? who was taken suddenly without expectation and nothing could be done

    William BakerWilliam Baker3 місяці tagasi
  • Finally the 8th is coming out of the dungeon

    Jose OlveraJose Olvera3 місяці tagasi
  • Next up: why you can't save Rubin from Minecraft storymode

    Jayden KimJayden Kim3 місяці tagasi
  • I definitely want more Final Fantasy theories.

    Nicholas TerronesNicholas Terrones3 місяці tagasi
  • Hmmm everyone is forgetting she isn't human so gonna leave that there... Probably got some plot holes but... Nah

    Dark PowerDark Power3 місяці tagasi
  • So the Phoenix downs they use are their equilivent of made in China?

    Pankaj BishtPankaj Bisht3 місяці tagasi
  • In FFV when one of the characters died, the party around them tried to use Life 3, Phoenix Down, and Raise spells. That leads credence to your theory of needing something more powerful to actually bring back the dead. In final fantasy six one character brought a rare Phoenix something item to Rachel that revived her back from the dead but only for a short time before passing on again.

    Loan KabbyLoan Kabby3 місяці tagasi
  • Yes do FF8 please

    Mohammed Al-BaderMohammed Al-Bader3 місяці tagasi
  • 15 years.. 2005..

    Some GuySome Guy3 місяці tagasi
  • but Final Fantasy VIII is my favorite, it makes me sad how little attention it gets living in the shadow of VII :(

    Terry LeeTerry Lee3 місяці tagasi
  • You're just gonna do the "Squall is dead theory" 🤷‍♂️

    Kenny JasperKenny Jasper3 місяці tagasi
  • FFVIII THEORIES! I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ALL ALONG!! "SQUALL IS DEAD", "RINOA IS ULTIMECIA", YOU NAME IT. whew, I need to calm down. Anyway, please, please do them!

    luiza177musicluiza177music3 місяці tagasi
  • I would love to see some FF8 theories :)

    Alex RompenAlex Rompen3 місяці tagasi
  • Yes yes yes, please give me them FFVIII theories right now.

    Fresh BurritoFresh Burrito3 місяці tagasi
  • Mat Pat, i think you forgot the way you get the Phoenix Summon Materia in the game, the way you get it is by literally HATCHING Phoenix, you find the materia in his eggshell, I´ve been watching you since the beginning and this is the first time i absolutely disagree with you ;___; The EVIDENCE IS IN GAAAAME

    Luis ReyesLuis Reyes3 місяці tagasi
  • Then explain the cut scene in Final Fantasy Tactics where Worker 8 blows Mustadio away and Ramza starts flipping out saying, "Oh no! Phoenix down - where is the Phoenix down?"

    Michael TorresMichael Torres3 місяці tagasi
  • Or the pheonix down only revives "Knock outs!" What do you all think KO meant? 🤣🤣🤣 so yeah aerith, she dead 😈

    Shan MingShan Ming3 місяці tagasi
    • @Random Girl that they did my young apprentice, that they did 😉

      Shan MingShan Ming15 päeva tagasi
    • Lol they deleted the comment lol

      Random GirlRandom Girl15 päeva tagasi
    • @Pyro Flare i didnt plan on getting laid anyway the idea of being inside someone just eeewww!

      Shan MingShan Ming2 місяці tagasi
    • @Pyro Flare i must break the fans hearts Tifa will die at some point like barret technically did 😈

      Shan MingShan Ming2 місяці tagasi
  • Adding to the proof is Galuf's death in FF5 (the best game). He keeps on fighting Exdeath while at 0 hp so the rest of the party has a chance to escape, and very definitely dies afterward.

    Justin EberleinJustin Eberlein3 місяці tagasi
  • YES to all FF Theory!

    Grave RobberGrave Robber3 місяці tagasi
  • Ff8 I can't find it 2 watch

    ryan hoffmanryan hoffman3 місяці tagasi
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